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[livejournal.com profile] htbthomas asked me a little while ago why I don't like Rory and, since I've forgotten where it was that she asked, I decided to make a post of it. This isn't very organised, and I don't think it's exhaustive -- and it's probably not entirely fair, but here it is:

* passive-aggressively trying to tell Amy what she wants, rather than asking her what she wants -- per "Amy's Choice" where he spent the whole episode telling Amy that the reality he wanted was the correct one and that she wanted it too, even when she was saying things which indicated that she didn't want to give up a life of adventure in the Tardis; per "The Big Bang" where when she was crying at the wedding, rather than asking her whether she was all right, he told her that she was crying because she was "happy, happy, happy Mrs Rory" and when she said that she was sad, rather than asking her why she was sad on what should be the happiest day of her life, he just said "Great." as if to communicate "Well, now your inappropriate feelings are ruining the day for me too." I don't get the sense that Rory actually cares whether Amy is happy as long as she feigns happiness for his sake, and when she fails to do that all she gets is sarcasm from him.

* not allowing Amy to make her own choices, partly by doing the above, and partly because he's not above going over her head to the Doctor so that the Doctor will deprive her of the oppportunity to make that choice in the first place. Amy's relationship with the Doctor is characterised by choice -- you can run to your loved ones and say good-bye or you can help me ("The Eleventh Hour"); you can go home to Leadworth or you can stay and help ("The Beast Below", an episode in which the Doctor chastises Amy for taking a choice away from him in a misguided attempt to protect him) -- but in "The Vampires of Venice" when Amy fails to make the choice that Rory wanted her to make Rory manipulates the Doctor into making that choice (to send Amy back to the Tardis) on Amy's behalf by stating that "you make people want to impress you" (that is to say: "you've, like, hypnotised Amy, who totally doesn't have a mind of her own and is incapable of making her own decisions about what she wants to do") when Amy's not there to defend and own her own actions and in fact never gets the right of reply to this comment. Rory seems to think that Amy is a child who is incapable of making reasoned decisions about whether she wants to take a risk to help people and needs to have that decision made on her behalf.

* the fact that Rory was perfectly fine with his and Amy's clearly less-than-ideal relationship up until the Doctor shows up. Amy felt trapped in Leadworth (and apparently in her relationship with Rory, since she didn't ask the Doctor to pick him up too in "The Eleventh Hour") but there never seems to be any indication on Rory's part that he cares that she feels trapped. I've said this before but I feel like the only reason Amy and Rory got into a relationship in the first place is that he was willing to go along with her 'madness' because she was beautiful and had no opportunity to leave him and she felt like she might as well rather than hurt his feelings -- I feel like Rory doesn't care whether Amy is upset or feels trapped in Leadworth as long as he gets what he wants in the end: a beautiful wife who'll never leave him (whether it's because she wants to be with him or because she has no means to get away), settled together in a little village which is driving her slowly crazy. Rory doesn't want the Amy who wants adventure because he doesn't want adventure, and the only reason he went with Amy in "The Vampires of Venice" is because he knew that if he didn't she would just go without him; he wants Amy to put away her dreams and do what he wants, which is live out the rest of her days playing wife with him in Leadworth. I feel like Rory wants Amy with a personality transplant.

Date: 2010-07-20 03:58 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] htbthomas.livejournal.com
Hmm. I can definitely understand your points. I am interested in seeing what happens with his character in S6. If he continues many of these loser behaviors (which I do admit he has - I think I like characters who are obviously flawed, but not irredeemably so), I may change my opinion of him. Rory represents the life Amy felt trapped by, but now that he's joined them post-wedding... hmm. I definitely wouldn't enjoy seeing him passive-agressively try to convince Amy to return to Leadworth, that's for sure.

Date: 2010-07-20 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com
YES.

You have totally teased on why I have such trouble liking Rory is general but like him when he's pining and in a position where Amy isn't being asked to reciprocate his affection by giving up what she wants (a la when she doesn't remember who he is).

Date: 2010-07-20 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] captaindove.livejournal.com
I love you, Mary.

Date: 2010-07-20 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karu-mila.livejournal.com
You hit the nail on the head. At first I was just indifferent towards Rory in "The Eleventh Hour", but recently I feel that he's not taking what Amy wants into consideration. He just wants that simple village life with a wife and child(ren) in "Amy's Choice" and Amy being discontent with that life doesn't seem to matter to him.

There's a scene in "The Pandorica Opens" where Rory asks if Amy missed him and it bugs me to no end because if you were to die and then suddenly come back, your first instinct should be to ask if your loved one is alright. I'm not sure why it bugs me so much, but it felt like he was making it all about him.

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